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The Jordan Harbinger Show

1145: Rwanda 2025 | Out of the Loop

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger

Social Sciences, Self-improvement, Entrepreneurship, Talk Radio, Business, Science, Education

4.8 • 12.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

On this Out of the Loop, Nathan Paul Southern and Lindsey Kennedy explain the consumer decisions and corporate interests fueling conflict in Rwanda.

Welcome to what we're calling our "Out of the Loop" episodes, where we dig a little deeper into fascinating current events that may only register as a blip on the media's news cycle and have conversations with the people who find themselves immersed in them. Investigative journalists Nathan Paul Southern and Lindsey Kennedy are here to help us understand why we're hearing a lot about Rwanda in recent news.

Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1145

On This Episode of Out of the Loop, We Discuss:

  • The M23 militia has recently resurged in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), taking over parts of North Kivu province and effectively controlling access to valuable mineral resources like cobalt, gold, and coltan — minerals critical for modern technology including electric vehicles and AI chips.
  • There appears to be a connection between the UK's Rwanda refugee resettlement program (which sent hundreds of millions of pounds to Rwanda) and the reemergence of the M23, which had previously disappeared when international aid was threatened to be cut off. The timing suggests the UK money may have indirectly funded the militia.
  • Rwanda is allegedly stealing minerals from the DRC, bringing them across the border, and claiming they were mined in Rwanda — creating the appearance of "conflict-free" minerals that major tech companies like Apple and Tesla can claim to use, even though they ultimately come from conflict zones.
  • The conflict has become increasingly complicated with the involvement of private military contractors from various countries, Russian interests, and American billionaires like Elon Musk and Eric Prince potentially making deals to control mineral resources in the region.
  • Understanding these complex global connections can empower us to make more ethical consumer choices. By researching which companies prioritize truly ethical sourcing and supporting organizations that monitor conflict minerals, we can use our purchasing power to encourage corporate responsibility and transparency in global supply chains for technologies we rely on daily.
  • And much more!
  • Connect with Jordan on Twitter, on Instagram, and on YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on an Out of the Loop episode, drop Jordan a line at [email protected] and let him know!
  • Connect with Nathan Paul Southern on Twitter.
  • Connect with Lindsey Kennedy at her website and on Twitter.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories,

0:07.6

secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice

0:12.4

that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. Our mission is to help you become a

0:16.7

better informed, more critical thinker through long-form conversations with a variety of amazing

0:21.3

folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers, even the occasional

0:25.7

organized crime figure, arms dealer, drug trafficker, or former jihadi. And if you're new to the show

0:30.6

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collections of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation, psychology and geopolitics, disinformation, China, North Korea, crime and cults, and more.

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0:51.0

Today, an out-of-the-loop episode with our friends Nathan Paul Southern and Lindsay Kennedy, they were on earlier a few years ago cracking open the scam call centers

0:59.1

and how many of them are actually run by human traffickers and slave labor. So all those scam calls,

1:04.4

scam texts you get are often by people being held against their will. And today we'll do an

1:09.1

update on the cyber slavery thing, people being

1:11.6

trafficked into those scam call centers. Also, the connection between cyber slavery, North Korea,

1:16.3

Yakuza, triads, and other organized crime groups as well as scam call centers. Plus, an update on

1:21.3

what the heck is going on in Rwanda and Congo. Surprisingly, they're actually connected

1:25.9

in some ways. Congo and Rwanda are actually fighting

1:28.7

over control of mineral resources with the help of Russian, U.S., and other foreign private

1:33.4

military companies. This, however, is an insane new level of conflict, which not only involves

1:39.1

governments, but also involves corporations, which hire armed groups to fight one another for natural resources.

1:46.1

Yes, it is as crazy as it sounds.

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