Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes of Briden and

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I'm Dan Harris. I took a big risk on this one. A big risk. I invited my wife to be a guest

on my podcast and I seem to have forgotten that my wife likes to give it to me. So you're

going to hear me take a little bit of a beating from my wife, but you're also going to

hear an incredibly smart and interesting person who has had a lot of stuff go on in her

life and who lives with somebody's really into meditation and yet for years couldn't

bring herself to do it. But has made a bit of a change recently and this is something

I write about a lot in this new book that's coming out soon called Meditation for Figuity

Skeptics. In fact, this is the third in a series of four special podcasts we're doing

leading up to the release of the book. It comes out the day after Christmas and time for

the whole new year, new you thing. And the book is basically about the fact that I've

made this really in hindsight kind of dumb, cavalier assumption after I wrote my first

book, 10% happier. I kind of thought, well, I make a pretty good case for meditation in

this book. So anybody who reads it, they'll start meditating. Not true. It turns out the

process of habit formation and human behavior change is really complex and really messy.

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