1133: The Philosophy of Scores: How to Measure What Truly Matters and Stop Playing Someone Else’s Game with C. Thi Nguyen
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🗓️ 2 March 2026
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
Thi Nguyen draws on the philosophy of games to explain how scores and metrics impact our lives—and what we can do to use them more meaningfully.
— YOU’LL LEARN —
1) How metrics can coopt our values and behavior
2) The hidden costs of the desire to quantify everything
3) Why the wrong people often seem to get ahead
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— ABOUT THI —
C. Thi Nguyen is associate professor of philosophy at the University of Utah, and a specialist in the philosophy of games, the philosophy of technology, and the theory of value.
A former food writer for the Los Angeles Times, Nguyen is active in public philosophy, writing for The New York Times, The Washington Post, New Statesman, and elsewhere.
• Book: The Score: How to Stop Playing Somebody Else's Game
• Website: Objectionable.net
• Bluesky: @add-hawk
— RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW —
• Study: The Cultural Evolution of Bad Science by Paul Smaldino and Richard McElrath
• Book: Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed (The Institution for Social and Policy St) by James Scott
• Book: Trust and Antitrust: A Philosophical Exploration of Ethics by Annette Baier
• Book: The Grasshopper - Third Edition: Games, Life and Utopia by Bernard Suits
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| 0:00.0 | Hobbs actually says that the real source of political power, the ultimate form of political power is not military strength or might or even economic strength. |
| 0:19.8 | It's power over language. |
| 0:21.7 | Because if you can dictate to them what success and failure mean, then you can control them from |
| 0:27.0 | the inside. And these are the stakes, I think. What metrics actually are, a way of fixing what counts |
| 0:33.3 | a success and fixing what we should all be moving towards. |
| 0:42.4 | And if there's some systematic slippage between what actually matters and the kinds of things that's easy to build metrics about, then our entire internal guidance system is going |
| 0:47.4 | to be deeply rewritten at its core based on somebody else's values. |
| 0:59.0 | Thank you. core based on somebody else's values. That's teen Wynne. |
| 1:00.4 | He's an associate professor of philosophy at the University of Utah who specializes in the |
| 1:03.9 | philosophy of games and technology, as well as the theory of value. |
| 1:07.4 | He's also the author of The Score, How to Stop Playing Somebody Else's Game, |
| 1:11.4 | which I loved reading. A lot of T's philosophical insights have huge implications for how we |
| 1:16.9 | behave at work. So you'll learn one how metrics can co-opt our values and behavior. Two, |
| 1:21.4 | the hidden costs of the desire to quantify everything. And three, why the wrong people so often |
| 1:26.5 | seem to get ahead. And if you want a quick |
| 1:28.5 | summary write up of some actionable takeaways that T shares, I recommend you to sign up for the free |
| 1:32.9 | golden nugget email newsletter which you can find over at awesome at your job.com. I'm Pete McItis. |
| 1:37.4 | This is How to Be Awesome at your job. And now here's T. |
| 1:45.5 | Tea, welcome. |
| 1:47.0 | Hello, hello. |
| 1:49.2 | Well, I am so excited. |
| 1:51.6 | We have a learned philosopher here. |
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