113: Wartime Diaries - Angela Buchdahl and Shlomo Nisanov
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🗓️ 5 November 2023
⏱️ 19 minutes
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The nature of the attacks on October 7th, together with certain subsequent reactions around the world, have blurred the lines between Jews in Israel and Jews in the diaspora. Last week, the UJA Federation of New York brought over a delegation of 28 Jewish leaders – mainly rabbis and educators – on a jam-packed 48-hour-long whirlwind of a trip to Israel. We sat down with two, very different, members of the delegation – Reform Rabbi Angela Buchdahl and Orthodox Rabbi Shlomo Nisanov – to hear what it feels like to visit Israel in the middle of a war.
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| 0:00.0 | I'll share that on Rosh Hashanah, I was pushing my community to stay deeply engaged with Israel while it was in this existential crisis of the protest movement and basically practically a civil war inside. |
| 0:14.0 | And I use the story from the Talmud about conjoined twins, two heads, one body, and the way that you can tell if it's one or two people |
| 0:21.8 | is you pour hot water on one head, and if the other head screams, then you'll know if it's one body. |
| 0:27.4 | And it is a very strange analogy, but I guess there was something that even the ancient rabbis |
| 0:32.9 | understood that sometimes when things are going well, you don't feel like you need the other, you can |
| 0:38.3 | ignore the other, but you're really, the true test is if that other head is crying out in pain. |
| 0:46.3 | Do you really not feel anything? And I guess what we learned is we do. |
| 0:51.3 | I look in Israel as one before before October 7th and one after. |
| 0:56.0 | The Israel I saw before October 7th was divided. |
| 1:00.0 | It was to a point where brothers were not talking to each other, |
| 1:04.0 | sisters were not talking to each other, families were divided. |
| 1:07.0 | But now what I saw, we are one. |
| 1:10.0 | We are one big mischpacha. We are one big family. |
| 1:12.6 | Be levi chad ni naeach, we will be together, we will win this. |
| 1:16.6 | But I'm also saddened because why do we need such a tragic event to bring us together, to make us realize, guys, you know, we have a common enemy and the common enemy doesn't care |
| 1:29.7 | who you are, what color you are, what gender you are, Chiloni, Dati, Parsi, Bukhari, Ashkenazi, |
| 1:38.3 | Temani, doesn't make a difference because whoever hates us, hates us the same. |
| 1:43.3 | I'm Rabbi Angela Bookdahl from Central Synagogue in New York. |
| 1:46.9 | My name is Rabbi Shlomo Nisanov. |
| 1:48.6 | I am the founding rabbi of Kihila Zafardim of Ahabatakim, |
| 1:53.3 | Bukharin Jewish Center of Kewarden Hills, |
| 1:56.1 | from Queens, New York. |
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