Wired.com presents The Geek's Guide to the Galaxy. And here is your host, David Barr-Kirtley.

Hello and welcome to episode 113 of Geek's Guide to the Galaxy.

Today on the show will be reviewing season 4 of Game of Thrones and discussing how George R. Martin

fans should deal with the prospect of the show spoiling future books in the series.

But first up, we've got an interview with George R. Martin's former assistant, Ty Frank.

He and Daniel Abraham, who we interviewed back in episode 35, write the Expant Series of Space Adventure novels

under the pen name James S.A. Corey. The fourth book, Seebloburn, is out now. The series is also

being adapted for television by the SciFi Channel.

And now here's our interview with Thai Frank.

All right, so we're here with Thai Frank.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Okay, so your new book is called Seibel-Laburn, and it's the fourth book in the Expanse

series which is based on a pen and paper role-playing game that you created.

So first off, why don't you just tell us a bit about how you first got into pen and paper role playing games?

Well, I don't actually know. I remember playing Red Box D&D in I think grade school.

That may have been the first one, but it just sort of seems like I've always been doing that.

But actually, the expanse didn't start out as kind of paper.

The expanse actually started out as a pitch for a MMO-P-G that never went anywhere and then

became a Pena and Paper game after that because I like the setting and wanted to see if it worked.

Okay, so, so why don't you tell us a bit more about the MMO-R-P-G project?

There's, unfortunately, there's not a lot to tell on that one a friend of mine came to me and

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