113. How To Protect Your Secrets: Is The Toaster Spying On You? (Ep 2)

The Rest Is Classified

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4.4 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Does China want to hack into your washing machine? What really is the dark web? And can you ever avoid being spied on in the 21st century? Listen as David and Gordon are once again joined by the CIA's first Chief of Tradecraft and Operational Technology, Glenn Chafetz, to discuss the nuances of ubiquitous technical surveillance and how you can protect your data in the digital age. ------------------- Make someone a Declassified Club Member in 2026 – go deeper into the world of espionage with exclusive Q&As, interviews with top intelligence insiders, regular livestreams, ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, and weekly deep dives into original spy stories. Members also get curated reading lists, special book discounts, prize draws, and access to our private chat community. Just go to ⁠⁠therestisclassified.com⁠ or join on Apple Podcasts. ------------------- THE REST IS CLASSIFIED LIVE 2026: Buy your tickets ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see David and Gordon live on stage at London’s Southbank Centre on 31 January. ------------------- Try Attio for free at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.attio.com/tric⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ------------------- EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ ⁠⁠https://nordvpn.com/restisclassified⁠⁠ Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee ------------------- Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠therestisclassified@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@restisclassified Social Producer: Emma Jackson Producer: Becki Hills Head of History: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:20.2	Most people are not counter-espionage experts, but that won't stop them getting targeted
0:25.4	by cyber criminals seeking to extract their secrets.
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