You are listening to the place we find ourselves podcast. I'm Adam Young and I'm honored today to be joined by

Andy Colbert, on D. Welcome to the podcast.

Oh, thanks so much for having me Adam.

On D is a fellow therapist not far from me also in Colorado and she's also the author of a great book called Tri Software,

which I think is such a disarming title.

And we're going to talk primarily about your book on D, but before we do, since this podcast is about the intersection of

trauma and story, can you share a little bit about how did you come to engage your own story? What started you down that path?

Yeah, for me, yeah, this is very

very much intertwined with the fact that

part of my story is that I am a survivor of complex trauma for my childhood. In addition to being a trauma therapist,

you know, that has been

sort of my way in to much of this work like the the passion. I think that I have for it first started because

I didn't have a lot of language. I didn't have a lot of direction

for what I had experienced in my childhood.

And even when I became a therapist, you know, I got my master's and I even became licensed and

and as you know, like complex trauma is still not in the DSM.

I had this sense like

things weren't fine in my childhood. I knew that, you know, and but I always felt like I didn't really have,

it felt like I didn't have permission to think of myself as a survivor of trauma. In part because on the outside,

I looked pretty put together. I was able to do some things that looked impressive on the outside.

And because of that, I always in turn minimized my own pain.

Like because I was able to do X, Y and Z, therefore I'm fine.

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