Welcome to How Leaders Lead where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about.

Today's guest is Steve Holmes, the non-executive chairman of Wyndham Worldwide and Wyndham Destinations.

When I think about Steve's career, the word that comes to mind for me is consistency.

With Steve, you know what you're going to get. He has a set of core values that he brings to any role.

He's lived by them and every company he's ever worked at,

whether he's crunching numbers and finances the CFO or growing Wyndham as his chief executive officer.

Steve reminds me, the truly great leaders I know aren't just great for a while or in one place

or only in good times. They consistently deliver excellence no matter what circumstances they're in.

And they do it in a way that's consistent with the values they have. Now, if you want to bring that same consistency to your

leadership, keep listening. Steve will show you how to be more consistent by defining your core

values and then living them out. So here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be

yours, Steve Holmes.

The business environment is extremely tough right now.

You know, we've got inflation, we've got a recession looming.

You know, what are you doing for fun these days, Steve?

Well, fun for me is getting away and doing things with my family. I've got now, I'm up to seven grandkids. Last time I talked to you, I think I had one. So they keep me busy and keep me running. And then my passion, as you know, is golf and I don't play it well, but I play it as often as I can. So that's something else I do to relax and get away from it all.

But you can't get away from the fact that I believe we probably are already in a recession.

We just haven't counted it all up yet. The good news is that it seems to be one that has a shorter duration to it and that there's a lot of momentum still going with the economy.

I hope you're right about that.

You know, as CEO, Steve, you're one of the leaders I admire most.

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