It was a very handy and timely understanding to realize what we have in common rather than just sort of being this outsider kind of journalist trying to get a great quote from people to dig into it to kind of realize like on an empathetic level I suppose that you have a lot more in common with with very

different people to you than that then you felt you realize.

Welcome my evangelists. It's El Hardy on today to talk about the Pentecostal movement and how it overlaps with

QA non-believers, hardcore trumpists and Premier League footballers or soccer players.

She'll explain at some point what Pentecostal is, I do ask her, but it's a bit like

evangelical Christianity, lots of singing and

dancing and exploiting as well L has traveled the world writing her brilliant book

Beyond Belief how Pentecostal Christianity is taking over the world.

And I think she's developed a bit of a kinship or affinity for the Pentecostals, but it is a religion

that can lead to some very extreme behavior and beliefs beyond belief as

L will explain. Get her book a link is in the show notes such as her expertise

that I ask her about the Ex exorcist that I fought and battled and exposed for his

abusive relations with young women in my BBC documentary about, well exorcism of course,

is he Pentecostal? Am I? I'm not. I had a nice review by the way from

Dr Ruen in Saudi Arabia last week. I haven't had one from there before he gave five stars and said

I became a huge fan of the podcast and now two episodes a week with clapping hands

Colin B. 217 in the States gave five stars and wrote only growing.

Andrew is only gaining traction as he covers North Korea today.

This was a couple weeks ago.

He is finding more interesting topics and guests.

If you like a host that does more listening than talking but interjects, tidbits of thoughts or opinions, or pressing conflicting viewpoints, you'll love this.

Thank you for your kind words, both of you. That was really really nice remember I read all of these keep

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