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The Counsel of Trent

#1119 - How Debates Became Dumb

The Counsel of Trent

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🗓️ 19 January 2026

⏱️ 23 minutes

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In this episode Trent reveals how modern debates make us all dumber and how we can fix them. What I Will (and Won't) Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs6z7asjta4 To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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0:00.0

My name is Trenhorn and my first contention is that today's popular debate formats are stupid and unproductive.

0:10.0

Hey. Hello. Howdy.

0:12.0

Okay, so you say popular debate formats are stupid, but you're arguing that in a popular debate format.

0:18.0

So you've just contradicted yourself. I am very intelligent.

0:22.6

I actually haven't contradicted myself because you can critique a system that you belong to.

0:28.8

For example, oh, I'm sorry, you already lost the debate because you took too long to answer.

0:33.3

So now I can clip this and put it on TikTok and make it look like I totally own you.

0:37.5

Wait, what?

0:38.1

But you're arguing that in a popular debate format.

0:41.7

So you've just contradicted yourself.

0:43.6

I am very intelligent.

0:49.4

As a Christian, I want to share my faith with as many people as possible.

0:53.2

And Christians have often used

0:54.7

debates to do that. But in today's episode, we'll see how debates have become dumb ways of sharing

1:00.2

the truth and how we can restore debates to their former glory. Public disputations, aka debates,

1:05.5

were a big part of medieval Christian culture, which carried into the Reformation, as can be seen in the

1:10.3

Leipzig disputation between Martin Luther and Johann Eck. Then with the rise of Democratic Republic

1:15.4

centuries later, debates became a way to persuade voters. In 1858, people would gather to listen to

1:21.2

Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas debate for three hours, where each speaker had long, uninterrupted

1:27.0

periods to lay out his case for how America

1:29.4

should be governed. But now we live in a very different time, as can be seen in the mockery of what we now

1:34.9

call presidential debates. Donald, Donald, I understand rules are very hard for you. Mr. Trump,

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