Can I ask a question, right? Like it's morning there and you're again in your morning t shirt and hair.

Like because you don't drink coffee, how do you click on? Like is there a line in the sand that when you cross you go, oh now I'm awake and I'm ready to do things or is it more like a

It's a sort of a very long blurry line between about 10 in the morning till lunchtime that just gradually

There's no there's no clicking on for me I'd find that really hard there's no it's like turning on the engine when I have a nothing

happens before a coffee well a shower but then you don't have to think about

anything the coffee I'm like okay now I can have a conversation and I can do things and I'm ready. It's turning on the engine of the car but if you want to be dependent on chemicals and deal with addiction that's your decision. I do I really do in the area of

caffeine. I think it's weakness I go I go to you know how I feel about this I go to I

walk past like Starbucks and cafes and stuff like that like at the shops and I see people queuing up for like 20 minutes for a coffee and I just look at them with disdain and think you are weak people.

I think it's like a weakness of our society the way we are so addicted to coffee.

You would rather spend two hours slowly adjusting to life every morning, like and getting underway.

No, I just don't, I just think that's the, I think there must be other ways.

I don't think this, like, what, like, cave men didn't need coffee, but to run away from the woolly

mammoths, you know, like we've just, we've just, this is a new, this coffee thing is a new dependence that we've evolved and I think it's a sign of human frailty and weakness.

But you don't not do it because of that, you do it because you don't like coffee but you could have a

Coke every morning you could wake up a cake or a cup of tea I love Diet Coke but I'm trying to get off

that yeah right try to get are you in some sort of program or?

Oh, no, no, and I'm addicted to sugar as well, but, but, yeah, coffee addiction, because of, just because

of the way it holds society up to, because if I want like a muffin and I've got to wait for

18 different people to get their coffees first it drives me crazy. Yeah yeah yeah and you're all I

know it when I'm hanging out with you and I'm like can we can we it's time for a coffee but I make it it's so ingrained

it's like and that'll be a lovely thing we'll sit down together and we'll talk and

catch up and have it and you're just like what what we're going

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