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The Counsel of Trent

#1105 - The Moral Madness of Atheism

The Counsel of Trent

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🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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In this episode Trent puts forward what he considers to be the most effective version of the moral argument for God's existence. The Disgusting End of the Slippery Slopehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mGsr0leHrU Mere Christianity and the Moral Argument for the Existence of God https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cslewisjournal/vol11/iss1/5/ God and Cosmos: Moral Truth and Human Meaning https://www.amazon.com/God-Cosmos-Moral-Truth-Meaning/dp/0199931216 To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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0:00.0

In today's episode, we're going to talk about the best moral argument against atheism.

0:04.3

And to help us do that, I've asked non-theistic PhD candidate Joe Schmidt for Majesty of Reason

0:09.5

to review today's script to make sure all the philosophical ground is covered properly.

0:14.3

First, we have to remember that just as there is no single cosmological argument for God's existence,

0:19.5

an argument from the origin of the universe, there is no single moral argument for God's existence, an argument from the origin of the universe.

0:21.6

There is no single moral argument for God's existence. Instead, there are a collection of

0:26.7

arguments that all agree there is something about morality, good and evil, right and wrong,

0:31.2

that points to the existence of God. And because of this, you're going to have better and worse

0:36.3

arguments. The absolute worst arguments

0:38.8

are usually Reddit level summaries that most Christians don't even use. These are arguments like

0:44.2

you can't be good without God or you can't have morality without God. But the moral argument is

0:50.6

not saying belief in God is necessary to act in moral ways. That's a bold claim,

0:55.6

given that there are many people who don't believe in God that still act in moral ways. The argument

1:00.7

would be better rephrased, you can be good without God, but you can't have good without God.

1:07.7

That way we move the focus away from personal conduct and towards the strange

1:11.8

properties associated with morality. The moral argument is also not making the simplistic

1:16.4

claim that it's impossible to have morality without God. Setting aside questions of ontological

1:22.8

existence, you can have morality without God in the same way you can have football without God. Morality would

1:29.9

just be a series of mutually agreed upon rules to make the game of life more enjoyable for everyone to play.

1:35.3

A better summary would be that the moral argument claims you cannot have objective morality without God.

1:41.6

C.S. Lewis made this kind of argument famous in his book, Mere Christianity,

1:45.3

which was based on a series of radio addresses. These were meant for the common Englishmen during

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