Recently, Stephen Woodford of Rationality Rules published a video called Charlie Kirk's worst debate

how a calm Cambridge student exposed his one trick, which got over 700,000 views. He also interviewed

the student, Kai Bevan, in a video called Medical Student Reveals how he destroyed Charlie Kirk's

entire abortion argument. Woodford spent over two hours discussing this on

his channel, so I figured this must be a really rigorous and interesting argument. Spoiler alert,

it's not. I emailed Kai Bevan and asked him to come on my channel to debate abortion,

but he never responded to me. And it's tragic that Charlie Kirk is no longer with us to respond to these kinds of videos. So in today's episode, I'll go through the key moments of their exchange and see what really happened and what we can learn from it. All right, so thank you for coming, Charlie. My question to you, I mean, I'm a medical student and I'm going to throw out the big A word.

I know you get asked about it a lot, but I want to hear it from you.

Your opinion is on abortion.

Life begins at conception.

But about abortion specifically. Why do you think abortion is wrong specifically?

Well, you agree murder is wrong.

I agree. Okay, so this is where we get to the question, right? Because what is it about murder you say is wrong? Like, why is murder wrong? Well, because it's a human being, not just because it has consciousness or because it's of a certain age, because it's a human. And what is it that gives human being this moral worth? Not its consciousness necessarily. I didn't say it's consciousness. I know that I can imagine

it's because it is a human being because that is a soul. Normally I'm a big fan of the Socratic method,

but sometimes it's more helpful to just state your case and then dissect the opposing side,

especially with someone like Kai who also likes asking questions. So keep it simple. Abortion is wrong because it's wrong to directly

kill innocent human beings and abortion directly kills human embryos and human fetuses who are

innocent human beings. In these situations, you also as a debater have to be careful to not allow a

doctor or a medical student to make it seem like that because they claim an expertise in biology

that therefore they are automatically correct about the moral issue being debated. Throughout

history, there have been doctors who committed terrible moral acts in the name of medicine. So we need

to always remind people that knowledge of medicine and anatomy does not always translate to a moral

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