Hi listeners, it's Reed. If you've ever felt stuck, if you can't get out of a rut or

over a hurdle, well, you're in good company. Every entrepreneur I've spoken to on Master's

scale has faced that moment at some point in their career. And so have most of the world's

greatest artists and creators. In fact, anyone who has ever tried to bring a bold, new

vision of life can probably relate. That's why I want to recommend another podcast that

will help you break out of the mold and cultivate a creative mindset. It's called Spark and Fire,

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is designed to fuel your creativity and innovation with epic stories and memorable takeaways from

creators at the top of their game. So take a quick moment right now to search for Spark and Fire

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episodes and trust me, you won't want to miss what's in store. Is that going to be a gas, you know?

If you are lucky, you win the lottery. If you're not, then you have zero.

And so because I'm not a gambler personally, I'm like, yeah, no, thank you, no, thank you.

It has five percent chance of working, but if it changes, it's going to change the world forever,

for every human being on the planet, forever, not in fiber, it's forever. And in business,

forever is a pretty good time frame.

That Stefan Boncel, CEO of Moderna, and he's talking about a much bigger gamble than throwing

a few dollars at the crap tables in Vegas. The risk he's describing is the one he took when

he accepted his current job and agreed to try against the odds to develop a vaccine based on

MRNA. He was recruited to Moderna by Newbar Afian from VC firm Flagship Pioneering. He approached

Stefan with this tantalizing possibility in 2011. Here's how he pulled Stefan in.

In Newbar Contact, I mean, it's like, come over, I have something crazy to show you.

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