Hi guys, welcome to Adulting. This is a podcast where we try to work out all the things

we're supposed to know when we're supposedly grown up, but I don't really feel that

grown up yet, even though I'm 24. And today I'm joined by Kho Jo.

Hey, good thank you are you? I'm low and well still a bit hungover.

Yeah, I know we're both now so slight hangovers, but it's fine we'll get to it.

Probably adulting experience. Yeah, exactly so true. How cool are we that it's like 11-11

and we're up out and hungover? That is hashtag adulting for sure. So I got Kho Jo to send me

a little bio just so that I and it's amazing. I'm actually just going to read it all out

so it's really cool. So Kho Jo, APAJ, is that right? The human. It's an experimental writer, poet

and social activist working for the housing and homelessness charte shelter as a campaigner.

Kho Jo mobilises and organises the public to help tackle the housing crisis faced by millions

across the country in various forms. Having experienced so for surfing for months and

and and Kho Jo's work and housing is rooted in a deeply personal and emotional place.

Outside of his work at shelter he produces his own podcast called OutLies X, need to listen to that,

which discusses the weird and wonderful topics of fringe culture,

a thriving monthly poetry night in Covent Gardens London called Pengting poetry.

He can often be found in corners on work coding, reading or writing other awkward

idiosyncrasy, what a great word of life. That is a really good word yeah. And what

fondamenting means for a human and there's little ball of dirt and water that we call home.

I love that last breath. That's so cute. Look, one of that water. I'm actually going to,

I wrote that as you asked me for a buy I was like, shit, need a buy. And then wrote it like

at work and I think I'm going to start using that water. Yeah, I think you shared. You just had

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