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forward slash Cosmic Skeptic. Oh, So, what? So welcome back to the Cosmic Skeptic Podcast, everybody. Today I am joined in

the studio by Douglas Murray who is of course the author and journalist, founder of the Center for Social

Cohesion and Associate Editor of The Spectator, but you'll probably know him if you do know

him most for his publications in 2017, wasn't it the strange death of Europe?

And as if you hadn't annoyed enough people with that, you've decided now to take on for more equally controversial issues in the madness of crowds a link to which is

available in the description but thank you for being here it's a great pleasure so

the last time I saw you yeah so far good so far right the last time I saw you in person

not that you'd have any reason to remember this, was after your event at the O2 Arena

with Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson.

Right. And you know I was there again recently listening to John Mayer who sold out the arena and I couldn't

help think I was sat at the back looking at all these people thinking here here are these epitomies

of pop culture John Mayer, Ariana Grande, one direction, selling out these arenas.

And the last time I was here, I was listening to you.

It's one thing to speak in front of a crowd.

What on earth is that kind of experience like to speak in front of a crowd. What on earth is that kind of experience like to speak in front of an arena?

To American listeners who don't know, that's one of the largest venues in the United Kingdom.

I can't imagine what that must have been like.

Yeah, we, two, Sam and I had done the three arena in Dublin,

with a similar number of people on a Saturday night in Dublin.

And yeah, both events were kind of unusual.

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