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The Counsel of Trent

#1089 - Getting Grilled on American Politics

The Counsel of Trent

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🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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In this episode Trent sits down with Emily Torres of Catholic Converts to talk American politics. Emily Torres: https://www.tiktok.com/@catholic.converts To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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0:00.0

Last month, I spoke at the Catholic Answers Conference, and I had the chance to sit down with Emily Torres, the Catholic convert, to have a discussion about American politics.

0:08.7

So check it out. And be sure to check out her work at the link below.

0:12.0

All right. Thank you so much, Trent, for meeting with me again, a year later.

0:15.8

Thank you. You, having me.

0:16.5

And yes, so I want to talk about something that may be a little controversial, but I feel like

0:22.5

over the past few years especially, it's become increasingly louder, especially on social media,

0:27.6

so that, of course, is American politics. And so I wanted your perspective on American politics

0:33.6

and values in general. How Catholic are American values, particularly are American

0:39.6

values on individuality and freedom?

0:44.0

I think it really depends on what kind of language you use, because people can use

0:49.2

language in two different ways to either reinforce Catholic values or to denigrate them. So even just

0:56.9

talking about freedom, right? So like freedom is a fundamental American value. And freedom is also

1:02.9

an important element of the Catholic faith. But it depends what you mean by the word freedom.

1:06.5

If by freedom, you mean being able to do whatever you want, well, then no, that's not a Catholic value.

1:14.3

But if by freedom, you mean the ability to choose the good or to choose various goods, then that's

1:21.2

something that the Catholic Church would support and has fought for people whose freedoms have

1:25.8

been subjugated throughout history and various governments

1:29.9

and supporting things like worker solidarity movements. I mean, you think about the work of

1:35.3

Pope St. John Paul II in Poland to combat communism. And so we think of American values of

1:41.0

freedom in contrast to communist values, where freedom only exists in so far as

1:48.9

your role in preserving the state, that the state does not, I think an American value to compare

1:54.2

like some more communist states would be that the state exists to serve the individual,

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