108 — Genspect Vision: The Bigger Picture with Joe Burgo & Alasdair Gunn
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 31 March 2023
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Stella & Sasha talk with Joe Burgo and Alasdair Gunn about the Genspect’s new direction and the upcoming first-ever live event. As you will hear them discuss, the Genspect Conference, themed “The Bigger Picture,” will bring together experts from many fields holding a myriad of perspectives: eminent scientists, researchers, lawyers, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, psychotherapists, sociologists, educators, feminists, and some well-known detransitioners.
Guest Joe Burgo is a clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst who’s been in practice for almost 40 years. He’s particularly interested in the concept of narcissism and shame. He’s also a really big part of the BeyondTrans project through Genspect, and the author of several books, including The Narcissist You Know: Defending Yourself Against Extreme Narcissists in an All-About-Me Age.
Guest Alasdair Gunn was working in academia when he became interested in gender issues. After coming into contact with a group of parents of trans-identified boys, he wrote a series of Quillette articles on the topic under the pseudonym Angus Fox. As a gay man who tackled body dysmorphia in adolescence, Alasdair brings a unique understanding of issues related to teenage male development. His work in gender has focused mostly on design, marketing, research, and communications in support of Genspect. Recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, Alasdair has stepped back from day-to-day work and is keen to highlight the ways in which gender healthcare falls short of the normal standards of excellence we’ve come to expect from the medical industry.
Stella, Sasha, Joe, and Alasdair explain how the Genspect conference is intentionally being conducted during the same week, and just down the street from the WPATH/EPATH conference. The goal is to provide attendees to both conferences exposure to human stories beyond the medical context of transition and challenge the evidence base for gender medicine.
There’s so much enthusiasm about the speakers lined up to contribute to the event’s agenda. Together, Joe, Alasdair, Sasha & Stella explore the roster of presenters and reflect that many of them are previous guests of Gender: A Wider Lens Podcast. They also announce plans for the first-ever Wider Lens live-stream event scheduled to take place from inside the conference.
With so much important and valuable information relevant to so many aspects of gender transition (not just the medical component), the Genspect Conference is setting the stage for a really pivotal moment in time in pursuit of capturing gender from a wider lens, aka “The Bigger Picture.” This conversation is a charming preview of what attendees can expect from The Bigger Picture event, scheduled for late April.
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Eliza Mondegreen on WPATH:
https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/so-i-went-to-wpath
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| 0:00.0 | Hi Stella. |
| 0:02.0 | Hello. |
| 0:04.0 | We have a really exciting episode today because we're talking about some new events that Gen Specte is putting on which are actually going to be groundbreaking and really huge. |
| 0:13.2 | So we'll save that for a few moments. |
| 0:16.4 | But we wanted to just take a minute to introduce our two guests, |
| 0:19.1 | who have actually been on our show before. |
| 0:21.2 | So I'll tell the audience a little bit about Joe. Joe Burgo is a |
| 0:24.8 | clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst who's been in practice for almost 40 |
| 0:29.2 | years and he's particularly interested in the concept of narcissism and shame. |
| 0:34.0 | He's also a really big part of the Beyond Trans Project through Gen Speck, and he'll tell you more about that. |
| 0:41.0 | And he's also the author of several books, including The Narcissist You Know. you know, |
| 0:45.0 | defending yourself against extreme narcissists in an all about me age. |
| 0:50.0 | Yeah, and Alistair Gunn was age. group of parents of trans-identified boys he wrote a series of quillet articles on the topic |
| 1:05.2 | under the pseudonym Angus Fox. As a gay man who tackled body dysmorphia and adolescents, |
| 1:10.9 | Alistair brings a unique understanding of issues related to teenage male |
| 1:14.8 | development. Since then, his work in gender is focused mostly on design, marketing, research, |
| 1:20.3 | and communications in GenSpect and then recently diagnosed with the term research and |
| 1:23.7 | then recently diagnosed with the terminal illness, Alistair has stepped back from day to day work |
| 1:28.7 | and is keen to highlight the ways in which gender health care falls short of the normal standards of |
| 1:33.4 | excellence we've come to expect from the medical industry. Yeah, it was a really |
| 1:38.6 | interesting conversation and we will let you guys listen. |
| 1:48.0 | Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
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