Hello, I'm John Donvan, moderator of Intelligent Squared U.S. Join us online at

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ISIS is not losing and that is the hard truth. This Islamist movement that is

stunning and revolting the world by enslaving men and women and children and

cutting off the heads of hostages while gaining more followers all the time has

shocked U.S. leaders with the speed of its conquest of large portions of Syria

and Iraq. And yes, the U.S. has been bombing from the air since 2014 but that

is a far cry from going all in against ISIS. Rather to borrow a term from the

Cold War, the U.S. strategy comes closer to something that was known as

containment. The attempt to hem in and animate to prevent its power and

influence from growing in the hope that someday it will collapse from within.

And how much sense does that strategy make in the case of ISIS? Well, that

sounds like the makings of a debate. So let's have it. Yes or no to this

statement. Containment is not enough. ISIS must be defeated. A debate from

Intelligent Squared U.S. I'm John Donvan. We are an Aspen Colorado in

partnership with the Aspen Strategy Group. As always, our debates will go in

three rounds and then our live audience here in Aspen will vote to choose the

winner and only one side will win. Our motion again containment is not

enough. ISIS must be defeated. Let's meet the team arguing for the motion.

Please ladies and gentlemen, welcome Michelle Flornoi.

And Michelle, your co-founder and CEO of the Center for a new American

Security. You served in the Department of Defense during the Clinton

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