Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show.

Individually, they're idiots, but collectively, they're a genius.

You know, and I think that you have to respect the genius of your audience, right?

Your audience is smarter than you.

And so you have to be humble and you have to listen to the feedback you're getting.

Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the story. getting.

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Today, a really fun conversation.

It's a little bit different since Gabriel and I actually co-host this one together, which, as many

of you know, is quite rare. We're talking with my friend Michael Arndt, acclaimed screenwriter of Little

Miss Sunshine, Toy Story 3, Star Wars, The Force Awakens. Michael won the Academy Award for Best

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