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Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

Sarah, John Phelan, Secretary of the Navy, was

fired this week. Pete Higgseth, who has clashed with him for a long time, has muscled him out,

even though Phelan was a billionaire buddy and neighbor of Donald Trump's.

Is that what made him qualified to lead the Navy? That is what made him qualified to lead the Navy, yes.

It's funny, because the Navy's not doing anything important right now.

No.

Literally, when was the last time the Navy was as essential as it is right in this moment?

It's funny.

It's funny.

Not in the hallway.

So the thing I wrote about during this week was how this is to me a sign that we are losing the war,

because when you are winning wars, you don't go around firing senior level leaders in the military in the middle of them.

You might note, hey, this person is bad and I got to get rid of him, but I'm going to wait until after the war's over, right? You don't do it right. Again, you don't, if you're winning, that's the only important thing and you don't want to have unintended consequences. Even though John Phelan, his remit, does not touch on the actual activity of the Navy in the Strait of Hormuz right now, you start moving pieces around and will somebody's got to slide into his spot, somebody's got to slide into their spot. There's, you know, there's a lot of stuff that happens. What I am more interested in is the, uh, the caustus belly for his firing. Do you know why? Or the argument that Pete Hexeth made to the president for why John Phelan had to be fired?

I don't. And as you can hear in my voice, like I've been sick this week. And so I was out the first three days, which then means I am doing all my things in the last two days. So my news, you're going to have to just read stuff to me and I'll react to it. But I have wondered how it is

possible. What were the reasons? What is the, I want the Kremlinology of why this guy was fired.

Okay. So the reason for what, the reason why he seems to have been fired is because Hegseth did not

like that Phelan had an independent relationship with Trump, even though Phelan worked for Hagseth.

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