Welcome to How Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about. Well, everybody, buckle up,

because today I'm talking with the country's top mentalist, O'S Perlman. He entertains NFL teams

and big corporations with astounding tricks that makes it seem like he's actually reading minds.

And believe me, he is.

And you know what?

He even does one of his tricks with me during this episode, and it's honestly going to

blow your mind.

It certainly blew mine.

Most of all, though, in what he does on stage, he makes sure that every performance is about

his audience, not about him.

He wants to give every person in his audience a memorable moment, and that's why he's one

of the most in-demand performers around.

O's is going to inspire you to create more memorable moments for your customers.

Plus, he's going to make you think about who you are, what your brand is, and how you can be an even better communicator and leader.

So without further ado, here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours, O'S Perlman.

Thank you. good friend and soon to be yours oz perlman got to ask you before i do this how many people who call you oz versus oz the story in my life uh you couldn't have picked a worst career

tied in to a worse you know the wizard of oz it. It's just, it writes itself. I told my parents, we need to change my name when I was a teenager and just go, you know, lean into it, just go with Oz and they were very adamant. No, because in Hebrew, my name is O's. It's not a stage name. Like I didn't make up this funny pronunciation. It's because in Hebrew, you say it

differently. It's kind of like Dr. Oz style. He changed his name. His name would have been Mehmet Oz, but he went with Oz because he's smarter than me. I talked to him about it, actually. Well, I know you do a lot of running, and we're going to be talking about this, but, you know, We met at a dinner party that was hosted by our mutual friends, Doug and Holly Hirsch,

and Doug told me something about you. this, but, you know, we met at a dinner party that was hosted by our mutual friends, Doug and

Holly Hirsch, and Doug told me something about you. He said that you can actually recite the

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