107. Breaking Boundaries, Post Growth & The Future We Choose
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
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🗓️ 24 June 2021
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
This week, a live recording of our event “Breaking Boundaries, Post Growth & The Future We Choose” with special guests Johan Rockström and Tim Jackson.
A little bit about our guests:
Johan Rockström is the Director of Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research & Author of Breaking Boundaries, which is both a book and a powerful Netflix documentary.
Tim Jackson is the Director of The Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity at the University of Surrey and has recently issued his latest book, Post Growth.
Join us for a sobering, gripping, and stubbornly optimistic conversation about the most decisive decade in human history. How can we change the stories we tell ourselves, to engage, inspire and empower people toward climate action?
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Book Links:
Breaking Boundaries: The Science of Our Planet by Johan Rockström & Owen Gaffney
Post Growth: Life After Capitalism by Tim Jackson
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Thank you to our guests this week, Johan Rockström & Tim Jackson!
Johan Rockström
Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK)
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Tim Jackson
Author, Director of Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity (CUSP)
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to this week's special edition of Outrageant Optimism, I'm Tom Rificarnak. |
| 0:17.8 | Today, breaking boundaries, post-growth and the future we choose, we bring you a special |
| 0:23.5 | conversation with Johan Rockstrom and Tim Jackson. Thanks for being here. |
| 0:37.2 | So today we have a different kind of discussion on this podcast. Our regular listeners will know |
| 0:43.0 | that Paul, Kristiana and myself self-identify as stubborn optimists and that's what today is all |
| 0:48.8 | about. We know that you, our listeners, are frustrated like us that the world has |
| 0:53.6 | did for so long in taking the needed climate action to protect our future and prevent the worst |
| 0:59.9 | impacts of climate change. Being a stubborn optimist is about grit and determination to do what we |
| 1:05.6 | can, not despite the challenges but because of them. We're fueled by an acceptance and a realization |
| 1:11.8 | that the alternative destruction is simply not an option that we are willing to resign ourselves to. |
| 1:18.4 | So if you need inspiration and the tools to do what you can with a gentle heart and a determined |
| 1:24.0 | mind, we hope this discussion will help. We're talking today with world-renowned scientist, |
| 1:29.2 | friend of this podcast, Johan Rockstrom and Tim Jackson, economist, author and playwright. |
| 1:35.9 | Today's episode is from a live session that we held at the beginning of this week. We hear what is |
| 1:41.5 | still in our grasp, what we can do not only to build back better as we now hear from the politicians |
| 1:46.7 | but also to build forward to build a better world where humanity can thrive with the planet. |
| 1:52.6 | We call this episode breaking boundaries, post-growth and the future we choose. |
| 1:58.0 | Each of these is a sentiment but also happens to be the title of a book written by one of us |
| 2:02.9 | on this episode. For more reading and more ways to get involved, check out the show notes for links. |
| 2:08.4 | As ever, for the full climate news of the week and momentum towards achieving a decarbonised |
| 2:12.8 | world, please also check out our newsletter, Signals Amidst the Noise, which you can find on global |
| 2:18.8 | optimism.com. Here's the show. Hope you enjoy it. It's a great discussion. We'll see you next week. |
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