Hello everybody, Katty and Anthony here, 915 Washington Time. We are getting the news in that's coming in from Alaska. Thank you for joining this YouTube live, which is going to re-air as a podcast as well on all of your regular

providers. We thought it's worth up dating you with what's happened in Alaska, because I actually

think that the conclusion of these talks is more significant than it might have been. Anthony, you and I,

when we did our podcast recording on Thursday, we both thought nothing would happen.

I almost think this is something from President Trump's point of view as worse than nothing,

because he gave a press conference in which he didn't take questions. He hates that happening.

He loves to take questions to the press. He canceled the lunch. He has basically had to admit that he went there

on the plane to Alaska saying that he hoped that they were going to get a deal. He expected to be

able to get a deal. He's cast himself as the great negotiator. And yet he's had to admit that he

hasn't been able to get a deal and that there are still big sticking points. I think from Ukraine's point of view, if I'm sitting in Kiev tonight, obviously the attacks

are still continuing, but in some ways there must be some relief that this is not a peace

in our time appeasement moment where the American president came out and said, right, we've got a fantastic ceasefire deal

that perhaps the Russians will never stick to.

I'm not putting any conditions on them.

I think that conversation with the Europeans that he had beforehand

where they were pretty strict on those five principles

that we outlined on our podcast,

particularly the principle of security guarantees for Ukraine

that seems to have been listened to. We were just listening literally, as you and I are recording

this, President Trump is speaking on Fox News. He wouldn't go into the big differences between him

and Vladimir Putin in that Fox News interview. But I think we can

assume that those security guarantees are at least one of them. What did you make of what happened?

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