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Thank you. Through most of Christian history, indeed human history, marriage has been a contract between two men.

What do you mean by this quote?

It's a fact.

The point is that marriage in general, whether it's in Christian society or not, is a contract between families.

And so the wishes of the bride and groom in the situation are

secondary to dynastic calculations on the part of the father of the bride and the father of the

groom. Those are the two men involved. So this modern image that a lot of people have of marriage, based on love and consent of the two parties involved, when does that begin to become the norm?

The norm, it's there really through Greco-Roman society, where the idea of love is a standard part of the package of marriage.

But it's emerged as a theme of Western society because of that memory in the last 15,200 years.

And so it's the way that we think of marriage now.

As a popular song when I was our lad 60 years ago,

love and marriage, love and marriage,

go together like a horse and carriage.

Well, that's a minority view in human history.

A lot of Christians celebrate marriage as central to a life of faith, the raising of a family, a husband in a role of spiritual leadership, a supportive wife and children.

You've written a history of sex in Christianity lower than the angels and spend some considerable time talking about the topic of marriage,

which of course is intimately tied up with the topic of sex. And from what I understand,

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