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Gender: A Wider Lens

106 — Detransition Awareness: Beyond Identity & Political Narratives

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2023

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This episode is dedicated to spreading awareness about the existence and experience of detransitioners — those who pursued a medicalized gender transition and later came to feel it wasn’t the right path for them. The detransitioner community is growing faster than ever as more young people realize they received inadequate and inappropriate healthcare.

The complex experience of detransition is not at all captured by the political identity being defined in the public discourse on the topic, and the real hardships involved seem to be entirely lost as an openly acknowledged possible outcome of the medical transition pathway, a primary outcome of the gender affirming model of care.


You will hear Sasha and Stella talk about how the detransition process is often a reckoning with reality. They speak about their experience working with detrans individuals and how it’s not as simple as “landing on detransition marks the end of a medical process or experience.” It is more of the beginning of a massive psychological process. It is not always a straight line with a clear destination. And it certainly involves a complicated and unique experience for each person. There are so many unknowns, particularly about the long-term medical implications in the aftermath of transition, so we’re learning as we go, seeking to better understand, empower and support the experience for detransitioners as well as others experiencing distress beyond transition.


In this conversation, you will also hear Stella and Sasha share about the launch of BeyondTrans.org. A new project of Genspect’s dedicated to meeting the specific needs of detransitioners, as well as those who are in a more uncertain space. Some people feel distressed about their transition. Many others feel more ambivalent. Some detransition. Others may not physically detransition, but their minds have detransitioned: they’ve moved on from an ideology that led them to believe they could become another person, and they’ve come to realize that this ideology can cause harm. Beyond Transition was established to offer comprehensive help for the varying needs of different groups impacted by medicalized gender transition.


Links:


You don’t have to be Irish to be Irish — https://youtu.be/jAQl64syDTg


Beyond Transition Website — https://beyondtrans.org/


Book Cynical Therapieshttps://criticaltherapyantidote.org/new-book-2/


Breastfeeding Regret Paper — https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2023.1073053/full


Pinned tweet — https://twitter.com/redrobin9000/status/1603678082426195969?s=20


Reddit detrans — https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/


Autobiography in Five Short Chapters (an excerpt from There’s a Hole in My Sidewalk: The Romance of Self-Discovery; © 1977 Portia Nelson)

https://palousemindfulness.com/docs/autobio_5chapters.pdf



If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting:


    “15 — One Detrans Voice: a Conversation with Carol” —

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:05.0

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:09.0

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we probe the gender landscape within contemporary culture.

0:18.0

And we consider the implications of prioritizing personal identity over other aspects of the self.

0:25.1

This is the thinking person's take on gender.

0:28.0

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

0:34.0

Hi Stella. Hello, how are you this week?

0:37.0

I'm doing well.

0:38.0

I also am aware of something.

0:40.0

This episode is coming out on March 17th, which is St. Patrick's Day.

0:44.3

I'm wearing green!

0:46.3

And so am I!

0:48.3

That was totally by accident.

0:49.9

It dawned on me when I saw you on video.

0:52.9

We were both in green and that's going to be a St. Patrick's Day.

0:56.1

Maybe we should talk about that as the Irish person in this group, Stella.

1:01.1

Tell us.

1:02.1

Well, you know Sasha me me my favorite song that I've sent to you is you don't have to be Irish to be Irish.

1:07.6

Oh that's right I love that.

1:09.7

Put it in the show notes for the more discerning listener.

1:15.7

Well, we often call it Paddy's day in Ireland.

1:18.8

It's a funny day because it's very badly judged to be in March, which is a cold wet rotten day in Ireland generally.

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