1057: How to Improve Your Next Conversation with Jefferson Fisher

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🗓️ 12 May 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Jefferson Fisher shares his three-part communication system for handling difficult conversations with ease.

— YOU’LL LEARN —

1) The best first word to use

2) How to set boundaries people will respect

3) Two tricks for handling disagreements

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— ABOUT JEFFERSON —

Jefferson Fisher is a trial lawyer, writer, and speaker whose work to help people communicate during life’s everyday arguments and conversations, with his practical videos and authentic presence, has gained millions of followers around the world, including celebrities and global leaders. He is a sought-after speaker on communication at Fortune 500 companies and governmental agencies, and hundreds of thousands of people subscribe to his actionable email newsletter and podcast.

Fisher is a Texas board-certified personal injury attorney and the founder of Fisher Firm, where he helps people all over the United States connect to trusted legal services. He lives with his wife and two children near Beaumont, Texas.

• Book: The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More

• Website: JeffersonFisher.com

• Instagram: jefferson_fisher

— RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW —

• Book: Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin

• Tool: Tonal

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0:00.0	Instead of saying, I disagree, what I want you to say is, I see things differently.
0:14.0	It works because you're not arguing their point. You're talking about their perspective.
0:18.0	When you set out to win an argument, you often will lose the relationship.
0:22.6	Instead of seeing arguments as something to win, see them as something to unravel, where there's not in the conversation, not in the communication.
0:30.6	And when you can have the discipline to fry and see where the other person is coming from, you're always going to find a much better conversation
0:37.8	at the end of that.
0:46.9	That's Jefferson Fisher. He's a trial lawyer, writer, and speaker who helps people communicate
0:51.0	during life's everyday arguments and conversations. He's helped thousands of people, including Fortune 500 companies and government agencies. And today, we're
0:57.8	chatting about insights from his latest book, The Next Conversation. Argue less, talk more. So you'll
1:03.0	learn, one, the best first word to use. Two, how to set boundaries people will respect.
1:08.2	And three, two tricks for handling disagreements. And if you want a quick
1:11.4	summary write-up of some of these actionable takeaways, I recommend you visit Awesome at Your Job.com
1:16.0	and sign up for the free Gold Nugget email newsletter. I'm Pete McItis. This is How to Be Awesome
1:20.7	at your job. And now, here's Jefferson. Jefferson, welcome. What's going on, Pete? Great to meet you, man. Oh, you too. I'm excited to be chatting, and I want to kick it off with just a little softball opener question. Jefferson, tell me, what's the most surprising and fascinating thing you've ever discovered about humans and communication in the course of your career? Oh, just a nice little softball.
1:44.5	Yeah, thank you.
1:44.8	War might out a little.
1:47.4	With how much we struggle at it, and at the same time, how much we need it.
1:51.6	One of my comfort shows is a show called Alone on Netflix.
1:55.2	Oh, yeah.
1:55.8	And they have these survivalists that are all amazing, and they go out maybe in somewhere in the Alaska wilderness.
2:02.6	And it's a very slow-paced show.
2:05.0	And they're supposed to survive really for however long that they can or sometimes they put a deadline on it.
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