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She had the three children and Scott was sitting in the front seat.

He saw the gun come up and shot his mum in the back of the head. There's an expectation then that we need this to be solved, we need the community to be safe,

so you take on board that pressure, then, you know, 13 years down the track, you're still going.

There was nothing in relation to Carmen's abduction that would have

identified that most likely related, same offender.

We were fortunate with the other girls that we got them back.

This is Australian True Crime with Michelle Laurie and Emily Webb.

Come with us as we go beyond the news cycle to find out how people become killers, how people become victims, and what happens next.

He went into a kindergarten and took four children and locked himself,

nailed up the toilet and stayed in there. Spread petrol around, splash the kids with petrol.

In that situation we try to talk him out we thought eventually we were thinking about he kept sticking his head up so do we do we pop him?

If we shoot him he falls down on the kids, kids got blood, blah blah blah.

All the parents are now coming to the kindergarten and you know this is this one

drags out for seven and a half hours. Foul of holes leading up to the laundry.

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