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The Next Level

1041: Fear the Reaper | The Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump isn’t just attacking the press, he’s trying to own it. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss how Trump is using merger approvals, billionaire allies, and corporate pressure to bend major media companies to his will, from CNN and CBS to the broader tech and news ecosystem. They explain why media consolidation creates a dangerous opening for political intimidation, how this power play has nothing to do with conservatism and everything to do with control, and why independent outlets like The Bulwark matter more than ever in an era where money, media, and government are colliding.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bullwark.

0:05.2

And Sarah is playing hurt. She was in an intense rugby match the other day.

0:12.5

Oh, no, that's not how you injured yourself, is it?

0:15.3

These are lies. I just, I was just, so I have been, because if you recall, if you've been with us for a long

0:21.7

time, you know that JVL and I one time, we went through a Peloton phase, uh, especially during

0:26.7

COVID, you went through a yoga phase, a Namaste phase. Uh, none of those phases held, uh, but I am

0:33.2

currently, I am back in the gym. Uh, I have a 25-year-old trainer who's been kicking my ass regularly.

0:40.9

She is great.

0:41.8

But today she was like, I got a new machine.

0:43.9

I cannot wait to try out this new machine.

0:46.0

What is it?

0:46.3

And it's this freaking contraption where you, it's like the shoulders.

0:52.1

It's like a leg press, the the the weights up on the shoulders

0:55.4

okay are you squatting yeah it's squatting squatting but it's on a machine right but i

1:00.7

squat with the borrowed time it's my favorite exercise great strong quadriceps I'm a sturdy person

1:09.1

from Pennsylvania I climbed on this machine with all the confidence in the

1:13.8

world and I unlatched it and I went deep and I pushed back up and I went,

1:20.6

did you get all the way back up or did she have to rescue you? No, so here's what happened.

1:25.4

This is the worst. I'm the worst like this. I like didn't say anything at first. Of course not. And so I did my first. Don't show weakness. No, I know weakness. That's right. I learned this from whiplash and tar. You never show weakness. I want to show weakness in front of some 25 year old former gymnast who like, you know, can do all the things.

1:44.6

So, but it was in the second set where I like, I was like,

1:48.1

Camarria, I got to stop.

1:50.1

It's too.

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