Hello and welcome to the show this is the cult of conspiracy and my name is Jonathan.

I'm Jacob and today I mean could we have a cooler episode than what we're about to do

right now we're going to be talking to space force captain okay captain Chuck

Reffen what's going on dude how's it going happy to be here thanks for finding me on

TikTok and you know shoot me a message and like dude you'd be so cool to be on my show

I look forward to these I mean these are great you know exposure for the

space force and you know not like I'm a huge recruiter or anything but it's

really cool to talk about it because you know we can get into some weird

conversations and we can get into some you know very cool conversations so yeah I look

for both actually you know both yeah weird and cool some of them you know you would say

that they both go hand in hand for me anyway absolutely start off with your background you

were in the Air Force pretty much anybody from the NCO level on up in the space force was

prior Air Force if I'm not mistaken the space force hasn't had their first full boot camp clash

drop had they that's right yeah so all of our core force if you will our space

operations officers on the commission side and our space operations folks on the

enlisted side they all came from the Air Force and so the initial tranche of

personnel that came over were all prior space operations members that were

supporting missions on the Air Force side that we actually had the option if we

wanted to go into this base force or cross train and a lot of us you know just came

over right it was space force first ever branched service in 1947 why not so you

know I commissioned in 2016 so when I when I commissioned I was in the Air Force's

space operations officer and transferred and I've been in the space force now for going over a year

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