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Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

104: Reading and language play in Sámi - Interview with Hanna-Máret Outakoski

Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne

Science

4.8743 Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

When we talk about language reclamation, we often think about oral traditions. But at this point, many Indigenous languages also have considerable written traditions, and engaging with writing as part of teaching these languages to children is important for all of the same reasons as we teach writing in majoritarian languages. In this episode, your host Gretchen McCulloch gets enthusiastic about multilingual literacy with Dr. Hanna-Máret Outakoski, who’s a professor of Sámi languages at the Sámi University of Applied Sciences in Kautokeino, Norway. We talk about growing up with a mix of Northern Sámi, Finnish, Norwegian, and English, as well as how Hanna-Máret got into linguistics and shifted her interests from more formal to more community-based work, such as "language showers" and the role of play in language learning. We also talk about the long history of literature in Sámi, from joiks written down as early as the 1500s to how people are still joiking today (including on Eurovision), and how teaching kids writing can strengthen oral traditions. Click here for a link to this episode in your podcast player of choice: episodes.fm/1186056137/episode/dGFnOnNvdW5kY2xvdWQsMjAxMDp0cmFja3MvMjA5NjY4NTM3NQ Or read the transcript here: lingthusiasm.com/post/783666317316243456/transcript-episode-104-reading-and-language-play In this month’s bonus episode we get enthusiastic about the linguistics of kissing]! We talk about the technical phonetics terms for kissing (bilabial clicks...plus the classic ling student quadrilabial clicks joke) as well as how different cultures taxonomize types of kissing (the Roman osculum/basium/suavium distinction is still pretty useful!). We also talk about how toddlers acquire the "blow a kiss" gesture, how couples time their kisses around their sentences, and many ways of representing kissing in writing, such as xx, xoxo, and emoji. Join us on Patreon now to get access to this and 90+ other bonus episodes. You’ll also get access to the Lingthusiasm Discord server where you can chat with other language nerds. If you join before July 1st you'll get a sticker of a special jazzed-up version of the Lingthusiasm logo featuring fun little drawings from the past 8.5 years of enthusiasm about linguistics by our artist Lucy Maddox! There’s a leaping Gavagai rabbit, bouba and kiki shapes, and more…see how many items you can recognize! We're also running a poll for current patreon supports to vote on the final sticker design! This sticker will go out to everyone who’s a patron at the Lingthusiast level or higher as of July 1st, 2025. We’re also hoping that this sticker special offer encourages people to join and stick around as we need to do an inflation-related price increase at the Lingthusiast level. Our coffee hasn’t cost us five bucks in a while now, and we need to keep paying the team who enables us to keep making the show amid our other linguistics prof-ing and writing jobs Click here to join now: patreon.com/posts/127782696 For links to things mentioned in this episode: lingthusiasm.com/post/783663475800113152/lingthusiasm-episode-104-reading-and-language

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Lincathism, a podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics. I'm Gretchen McCulloch,

0:24.2

and I'm here with Dr. Hannah Merritt O'Dokoski, who's a professor of Sami languages at the Sami

0:28.9

University of Applied Sciences in Cautucano, Norway. She's a native speaker of northern Sami and Finnish,

0:34.5

and a fluent speaker of Swedish, she can read German, and uses English mainly for academic publishing purposes. And today, we're getting enthusiastic about multilingual

0:41.7

literacy. But first, some announcements. We've commissioned a jazzed up version of the Linkthusiasm

0:49.6

logo with fun little doodles in the classic shape of the Lenthusiasm Squiggle adorning

0:55.4

your podcast reader right now. Now filled in with some linguistics and Linguism

1:01.5

references in little tiny doodles, see how many you can spot. And we're going to be sending

1:06.9

out a sticker with this new design to everyone who's a patron at the Lingthusius level

1:12.6

and higher as of July 1st, 2025. So if you want to get this sticker that can adorn your

1:18.8

laptop, water bottle, and help maybe connect you to other people who are enthusiastic with

1:22.7

linguistics, go to patreon.com slash enthusiasm. If you just want to see a version of this sticker and see how many

1:29.9

of the little doodles you can identify, you can go to linkthusiasm.com or at linkthusiasm on all those

1:35.6

social media sites and we'll be posting about it a lot. Our artist, Lucy Maddox, did a really great job

1:40.3

and we're so excited to show this design with you. Our most recent bonus episode was about the linguistics of kissing, from the physical articulation of kisses, which

1:50.1

involves the mouth, much like many linguistic things, as well as the social significance of kissing

1:55.3

in various ways, various times to various classes of people, to writing kisses as exes and with emoji. All of that and

2:03.8

98 other bonus episodes at patreon.com slash the enthusiasm and help keep the show going.

2:23.0

Hello. Hello, Hannah Marit, welcome to the show.

2:23.6

Hi.

2:24.9

It's so nice to have you here.

2:26.8

It's really good to be here.

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