Arnica Harris, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having me. You've just released a long

audio documentary. How many episodes is it in total? Ten, ten chapters, yes. Ten episodes on ten chapters,

on consciousness. Obviously, this is a topic that you can discuss for ten hours without hesitation, but why, why this, why now?

Why a 10-part documentary on consciousness?

Yeah.

You know, it really just came together organically.

I published a book about consciousness that came out in 2019 called Conscious.

And by the end of my researching and writing that book, I really became convinced to my own

surprise that this question about whether consciousness might go deeper in nature than the sciences have previously assumed was actually, you know, not just a legitimate question, but possibly a really important question to be asking.

And so I published that book and was thinking about what I wanted to work on next.

And what became very clear to me was that I just wasn't finished asking questions about this topic. And so actually a film producer friend of mine came to me with an idea for a film and gave me kind of a project, which was, why don't you just record, you know, conversations with

everyone you want to talk to. You have this long list of experts and scientists you really want

to talk to. Just start recording and maybe this will become dialogue for a film or, you know,

we didn't quite know where it would go. But given that project, I knew this was exactly what I

wanted to do. I was very, very relieved to have

someone tell me that this is what I should do. And so what I learned through that process was that I

wasn't just recording for interesting dialogue, but that I was kind of on this journey. And each conversation,

you know, I had a list of people I wanted to talk to, but I didn't end up going in the order.

I thought I would. Each conversation kind of led to the next conversation. And the whole process

ended up taking about four years. And so my thinking evolved during that time. I started to

get more of a concrete sense of what I thought might be going on if consciousness goes deeper in

nature. I published articles along the way. I spoke at conferences. And so we include all of this.

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