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Modern Wisdom

#1035 - Mark Rober - How to Engineer a Life You Love

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.74.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

Mark Rober is an engineer, science communicator, and YouTuber known for viral experiments and STEM education. Expect to learn what it was like to wor on the Mars Rover for NASA, how NASA rewired the way Mark thinks, what Mark’s relationship with failure is like, which engineering heuristics transfer best to everyday life, how can grown-ups rebuild the natural curiosity that gets pruned out of them, how you can avoid losing the curiosity when you need to deliver views, and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals New pricing since recording: Function is now just $365, plus get $25 off at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, a Welcome Kit, Travel Packs, plus bonus gifts (US only) when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I never knew that you worked on the Mars Rover for NASA.

0:03.9

That's so fucking cool.

0:05.0

Well, what's really wild is my name Mark Rober is only two letters off for Mars rover.

0:10.2

If you change the K to a NAS and the B to a V.

0:13.8

And honestly, it was meant to be.

0:15.3

It took me like four years working at NASA to realize that.

0:18.9

It's just one day I'm like, oh, dang.

0:21.0

What did you do?

0:21.9

So I'm a mechanical engineer by trade.

0:25.8

I got my bachelor's and masters in that.

0:27.6

And I worked on the rover that's on Mars for like seven years.

0:32.3

So the way it works is they just throw you into the deep end.

0:34.6

And like I'm, I was responsible for a chunk of the rover.

0:38.4

And so, you know, I design what it should look like. You know, you test it. You integrate it.

0:44.4

You put it together. You have a team of people working with you. They have gray beers. They call

0:48.3

them at NASA who look at your design and tell you all the reasons it sucks. So you go back and

0:52.3

change it. This sounds like some Gandalf the white, like you need to go and pay homage to the dude at the top of the mountain. That's effectively what it is. But they're smart. They know what they're doing. They've put stuff in space before. And so they give it to the young folks who are just coming up. And they literally, I was in charge of a trunk on the top of the rover.

1:11.9

The arm go digs in the dirt, takes that sample, puts into the belly of the rover, and like, I designed the hardware to accept that. And it's still working, fingers crossed on Mars. That's still going. Yeah. Which is wild when you look up at the sky. You know, all the stars look to say Mars has a little bit of red tint to it, right?

1:29.4

You know what your baby is?

1:30.4

Yeah, and it's like that's 90 million miles away. And I've touched an ingrained, I've touched something that's rolling around on that dot in the sky. And what's really cool is on Earth, things oxidize and break down. So they crumble and go away, right? So let's say,

1:46.3

you know, thanks to AI or whatever you want to say, a million years from now, our species is done.

1:52.5

There won't be any, if you came here, you would just see nature. Like at that point, everything's

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