Four, three, two.

Welcome back, man. Hey, thank you.

Good to be here.

Great to see you again. Yeah, I like your new spot. Thank you. Thank you very much man. You have a real flip phone. I do have a real flip phone. And you said that you didn't go back to it. You never left. I never left her. So you never went like iPhone, Android? No. No. Never even

even thought about it. Never even thought about it. No. You see people taking pictures and using

apps? Nothing. Nothing. I don't need the apps, I'm good.

There's no draw at all, nothing

using the internet, answering email,

and I have a laptop at home, and I do access the internet yes. But when you're out you don't want to mess with it.

No, when I'm out I want to be out. I'm in the world you know right if you're if you're looking at your phone, you're not in the world and so you don't get either. You don't get either thing. You would get along very well my friend Ari. He went back to a flip phone and he looks disdainfully, sort of like former alcoholics, look at everybody

with a drink, like there's no way you could just enjoy one drink, you loser. You know that?

Right. Yeah, no, I just look around at this, I mean I'm an anthropologist and I'm

interested in human behavior and I look at the behavior like literally the

physical behavior of people with with smartphones and it doesn't it looks

antisocial and unhappy and anxious and I don't want to be I don't want to look like

that and I don't want to feel like I think those people feel.

Wow that's deep I think those people feel.

Wow, that's deep.

I'm a junkie.

You know, it's really interesting because I was at a restaurant the other day and I was looking around

and literally everyone in the restaurant was looking at their phone.

No one was talking to anybody.

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