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The Next Level

1031: Secret Podcast: JD Vance Can’t Control What He Unleashed

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

JVL is half-delirious from the shingles vaccine and Sarah Longwell is dragging him through one of the wildest weeks in politics. From massive Democratic wins to Jeff Flake’s fantasy-land op-ed, Elon Musk’s trillion-dollar ego trip, and the jaw-dropping humanitarian fallout from dismantling USAID. They break down why Republicans are in full disarray, how Trump’s SNAP showdown is backfiring, and what new polling says about the road ahead.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey guys, it's JVL and Sarah. Sarah say hi.

0:04.3

You're so sad today.

0:08.7

We are here for a timeless show.

0:12.0

You know, the secret show is just us.

0:14.0

We wanted to share it with you, our T&L friends.

0:16.9

Pretty good show.

0:17.4

It was a good show.

0:19.5

But the things that we talked about that I think

0:21.3

some of the delusions of Jeff Flake thinking that the Republican Party is migrating away from

0:26.5

Trump, we talked about some Elon stuff, his trillion dollar package. And we got, it was great.

0:35.1

It was great. But JVL's little, he got his, he got a shingles vaccine. And so, uh, I'm, I, uh, I try to, I try to, I try to put him on my back. Carry him on, carry him up the mountain.

0:48.4

Here's the show. Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

0:55.3

Sarah is going to carry me today because I got the shingles vaccine and holy fuck.

1:04.0

That's a rough vaccine, dude. This is the only time I think I've ever...

1:07.0

What do you feel right now? What's it doing to your body?

1:10.5

So I got like a, I think a reasonably high fever from it yesterday.

1:17.1

Like last night I was under six blankets with my teeth literally chattering.

1:23.7

And I couldn't get warm for hours.

1:26.2

And now I just feel like somebody has run a steamroller,

1:31.9

fish called Wanda style over my entire body.

1:35.2

So it's great.

1:36.4

It's great.

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