How do you respond when everything you believe is put to the test? Can you still

believe when life doesn't turn out like you thought or maybe when your faith doesn't result in healing?

This was a sobering and wise and delightful and inspiring conversation with Deva Ward when it was a great, and Adrian. Oh, you guys are going to love this.

We recorded this conversation a few months ago

when we were just in the very early weeks of the pandemic,

but I saved it for when I thought we most needed to hear it.

And today is that day.

So after this conversation, you're gonna be so encouraged

that you're gonna be singing out loud

along with Jeremy that you can still believe.

So Casey, let's get it going.

Welcome to the 413 podcast where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up to

live the I can life because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Now, welcome my soul sister.

Welcome my buddy.

She's wearing a t-shirt that says,

Obsessive Coffee Disorder. Jennifer. in a t-shirt that says obsessive coffee disorder Jennifer Rothschild. Yes I have my own

version of O. C. I admit it. Welcome we're super glad you're here. I am Jennifer, and I'm just here because I want to help you, help each of us to live that I can life, helping you be and do more than you feel you are even capable of as you tap into the

strength that comes from Christ in you and I'm telling you this is going to be a good day my people because this conversation is just

going to inspire you. I love Jeremy Camp. This is the first time I got to talk to him.

Casey have you met him before?

I have.

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