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#1021 - Louise Perry & Mary Harrington - The Performative Male Epidemic

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.74.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 134 minutes

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Louise Perry is a writer, Press Officer for the campaign group We Can’t Consent To This and an author. Mary Harrington is a writer, columnist and author. Why are young people having less sex than ever? Has something in our evolution shifted, or has modern life become so confusing that we can’t even tell what we’re attracted to anymore? What’s really happening to relationships today, and is there anything we can do to fix it? Sponsors: Modern Wisdom Merch available now - ⁠https://www.mwmerch.com⁠ 🚀 Live until Tuesday, 18th Nov See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get $100 off the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Americans are having a record low amount of sex, even less than they did during COVID.

0:05.3

Just 37% of American adults have sex weekly down from 55% in 1990.

0:11.1

Does this counter the view that sex is becoming more casually accepted than ever before?

0:18.3

Who goes first?

0:20.7

Do you want to go first?

0:21.8

I think I glanced at these statistics and what I thought was interesting and sort of

0:26.8

haven't really had a chance to borrow into is how does it split between the long-term

0:31.9

partnered and the casually and the unpartnered?

0:35.2

Yeah.

0:35.6

Because that's been generally the, that's where the commentary gets interesting.

0:40.3

And people have often, you know, the conservative side will say, no, actually, the not getting, they're not getting any is very much the people who are not married.

0:49.6

And actually the married are getting any.

0:51.4

And if I remember rightly, the recent headlines are actually the people who are not who are married are also becoming more panda-like.

0:58.9

Sex recessions happening across the board.

1:00.7

Yeah, yeah. It's happening across the broad. Yeah, yeah.

1:03.4

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that the paradox where people are simultaneously having less sex and apparently being at least more permissive towards casual sex, whether or not they're having lots of it, I think is solved by that marriage issue. So if people are less likely to be in long-term partnerships and people in long-term partnerships have more sex. So there's a, I think there's a model that works where, say, Gen Z are having casual sex, but they're only having casual sex.

1:29.6

So, like, one hookup a year, for instance, works out as very little sex.

1:34.1

But it's also not to say that casual sex culture doesn't exist.

1:38.8

So you're able to have both of these things happening at the same time.

1:41.3

And they might actually be causing each other.

1:43.0

Yeah.

1:43.4

But I also think it's plausible that even married people might be having less sex.

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