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The Next Level

1021: Is Gavin Newsom the ONLY One Ready for This Fight? | Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 October 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

JVL and Sarah Longwell zero in on the government shutdown chaos and what it really means. They debate why Democrats can’t afford to play defense, how Trump is openly embracing authoritarian ideas like Project 2025, and the GOP’s sheer inability to govern even as they drive the country toward crisis. 

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:21.4

Hey there, friends. It's JVL and Sarah, but no, Tim. We got the secret pod coming at you. It's up, guys. Can't wait. Want to talk shutdown? Shutdown, showdown, JVL? Should we do that? There's a lot of news. A lot of news. It's a big show. People are going to like it.

0:38.6

So, you know, enjoy.

0:39.9

When we're done, I don't know, subscribe. Come join Bulwark Plus. We don't ask for much. Yeah, don't you want JVL to yell at you more? Come on. Here's the show. Hello, everyone. this is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

0:57.5

Sarah, people... everyone, this is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

0:57.4

Sarah, people better enjoy this secret show because they ain't getting one next week.

1:01.8

What's next week?

1:02.7

Oh, we're live.

1:03.8

We're live twice next week.

1:05.6

Twice?

1:06.8

Oh, and we should say at the top that there are like a handful of DC, which we have a very big venue in DC guys. Help us fill it to the top. We've got some still got a few tickets left, maybe like 100. So come on. Straglers. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Come to come to the show. It'll be a good time. Those things are great. All right. So,

1:28.9

very big show today because there's a lot of stuff going on. And we should start by talking

1:34.4

about shutdown politics because I feel like the Will Ferrell from Zoolander meme, like the, I feel like I'm taking

1:43.8

crazy pills. and I'm actually

1:47.8

writing about this today and so I would just like to hear your thoughts because my I'll just

1:53.8

lay it up my table stakes here are the Democrats are a bunch of fucking pussies.

2:19.6

And if they can't win this, a shutdown fight in which the Republicans control the White House, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, jobs are moving backwards, the economy is getting recessionary, and Trump is a net negative 11 underwater and approval.

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