Frank Barrossa is wired a certain way.

I like things that are going to be challenging and difficult that just feeds my mind and my brain.

Frank thrives in complex situations that require tough problem solving.

He needs this in his life, whether it's for work or play.

He likes playing games that have high stakes, like either get rich or go to prison type of games,

because games like these keep him engaged.

If you fail, that makes it even more real, and those are the basic stuff that needs to be in

there to grab my interest. If I don't have that, I'm just not interested at all.

He's been like this since he was a kid in school.

School was a very boring place for me. They just take five hours explaining something that we can

get in five minutes. He's just simmering in boredom, trying to learn things you're never

going to use in your whole life. I don't know why you do that. It's so ridiculous.

He grew up in Tuá, Riviera, Quebec, Canada. It's a small city of about 130,000 people,

and a two-hour drive northeast from Montreal. Frank's in his 50s now, but he's going to take his back

in time and tell us how he became one of the best criminal money makers in the world.

These are true stories from the dark side of the internet.

I'm Jack Recyder. This is Dark Net Diaries.

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