There are 658 days until the 2024 presidential election seems like a long time, but it's going

to sneak up on us.

And I am so thrilled to welcome to today's edition of the Mary Trump-Chode Nerd Avengers,

our special guest Karen Hunter, journalist, publisher, author, and host of the most excellent

Karen Hunter Show on SiriusXM Urban View, and so Karen, it is wonderful to have you join us.

An honor, an honor and a pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.

Oh, you kidding? I think this is going to be a blast. And of course, a norm of

fellow nerd Avengers. So happy to have you here. I know you've been busy, perhaps.

A little too busy, but never too busy for Mary Trump.

Oh, right back at you. So, you know, as usual, nothing much is going on.

So there, I think the main thing I wanted to focus on today, what is the documents?

Curfuffle, debacle, whatever. And not so much the difference between the two cases,

although that's important, and we need to tease those out, but sort of issues surrounding that,

for example, David Rothkoff wrote a great piece about the foundational problem, which is too

many documents are classified improperly or not declassified when they should be.

So we've got trillions of pieces of paper floating around. And the consequences of

mishandling them even accidentally are so severe that it like stresses people out and it freaks

about and all this other stuff. And, you know, creates situations in which they get

forgotten and locked in the wrong location and or accidentally put in a different folder and take

it home. So that's part of it. And then Joyce Vance also had a piece in which she pointed out that

one of the issues here is that there's procedure that needs to be followed. And only one person

we're talking about actually followed it. So Karen, we are once it feels like

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