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The Next Level

1017: The Dark Urge to Root for Collapse | Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

JVL and Sarah go head-to-head over the New York Times, Trump’s $15 billion lawsuit, and what solidarity really means when democracy is on the line.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:22.1

Nishkevar here from Pod Save the UK.

0:24.0

And Christiana Figueres from outrage and optimism.

0:26.9

Rising inequality, conflict, climate disaster is very hard to find reasons to be hopeful about the future.

0:32.4

That's why we're teaming up this September during the 80th General Assembly of the United Nations.

0:37.4

Along with political currency, Pod Save the World, the Week junior and... up this September during the 80th General Assembly of the United Nations.

0:42.1

Along with political currency, Pod Save the World, the Week Jr., and more.

0:46.3

We'll discuss the stories that give us hope and answer the question, how does hope turn into action?

0:47.4

Look out for the Be Hope takeover this September.

0:50.3

Hey guys, it's JVL and Sarah with a little preview of the secret show here for our next level friends.

0:57.3

I've heard a lot of people say last week's next level was like one of their favorite ones.

1:04.3

Like I people come up to me on last weeks or this week's?

1:07.2

Yeah, last Fridays.

1:08.3

I think it was because we, you and I were really like thinking out loud, grappling with things.

1:15.3

Oh, the secret. Not the next level. Yeah. The secret. No, the secret pod. And I think that that is, I think this is a time for grappling. So if you want to do more of that, we're going to do more of it today. We're going to grapple with JVL's, you know, what did you put a gimp in the closet or something?

1:34.2

I was the gimp.

1:35.6

Sure.

1:36.3

I was the gimp.

1:37.4

The gimp is me.

1:39.1

I had to look it up.

1:41.2

All right, guys.

1:42.3

Come join us.

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