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This is Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark here with my best friend, Jonathan Last,

the JVL.

JVL and I are going to do most of the secret podcast today behind the paywall for members

only, because this is a week when the secret podcast really is

sort of the best place for us to wrestle with the difficult things in front of us.

But we want to do that in a place that is with our community where we can get feedback on the conversation

where we feel like we can really say things that we're not sure we think yet.

It's like the scratch pad version of this conversation, right?

Yeah.

We're just like, I don't know yet.

Like it's too big to all do like as the first take as the final take.

Let's try putting some ideas on paper and see what we come up with.

Well, there's also so much we don't know.

And so I think, you know, we want to turn over how you deal with moments like this and talk a lot of different things through.

So come ride with us, come, come join us, come be part of that conversation.

This is why we do the Secret Pod.

Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell. Sarah, it's Friday.

We have sat down to tape minutes after the announcement that they have in custody a suspect in the Charlie Kirk murders.

We are going to talk about a lot of stuff that's kind of meta.

We're going to do a lot of bulwark-centric talk and philosophical talk deep in this,

and we will get to that in a few.

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