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The Next Level

1010: Things Fall Apart | Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Another dark week: Trump toys with occupying Chicago, the FBI under Kash Patel ignores domestic terrorism, RFK Jr. runs HHS with conspiracy theories, and even the CDC is led by a political crony. JVL and Sarah Longwell ask the hard question, what if our democracy is already too broken to fix?

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:24.9

Hi. So I know you guys like the show, but have you ever thought to yourself,

0:30.0

what if this show just didn't have Tim in it? Couldn't it be even better?

0:34.4

I know you thought that. Of course you thought that.

0:39.4

Well, do we have a treat for you because Sarah and I do a show just the two of us every Friday. It's called The Secret Podcast.

0:44.8

It's only for Buller Plus members, but we wanted to give you guys a little bit of a taste here

0:49.3

today. We talked about some really, really wonderful things.

0:55.6

That's wrong, Sarah.

0:56.9

They're all terrible things this week.

0:58.6

It's a really, it's a really dark week.

1:01.0

And I'm sorry in advance for that, guys.

1:03.0

But we talk about RFK and the terrible shooting in Minneapolis and the CDC

1:08.3

and whether or not Chicago is going to be occupied by federal troops next.

1:13.4

It's kind of a big old thing. It's pretty dark. But if you want to hear us go deeper on

1:20.6

issues and also work out thoughts before we have them, because I would say the secret podcast is secret in part

1:28.9

because we're not always committed to our takes here. We're thinking out loud. So come do that with us.

1:34.5

Yeah. There's a lot of that. A lot of just like, hey, we're just talking between ourselves

1:41.3

while we think of this stuff. Anyway, come and join us and we hope you like the show.

1:47.3

Hello, everyone.

1:48.2

This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

1:54.1

Sarah, I mean, I guess I'll just say happy Friday.

1:56.6

I don't feel happy Friday.

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