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Pints With Aquinas

101: What is predestination? With Fr. Thomas Joseph White

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Stthomasaquinas, Saintthomasaquinas, Mattfradd, Theology, Catholic, Dominican, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy

4.86.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2018

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Today we're joined around the bar table by Father Thomas Joseph White to discuss predestination.

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Here's a couple of excerpts from Thomas on predestination from the Prima pars:

Here’s some of what Aquinas had to say on predestination:

It is fitting that God should predestine men. For all things are subject to His providence, as was shown above (I:22:2). Now it belongs to providence to direct things towards their end, as was also said (I:22:1 and I:22:2). The end towards which created things are directed by God is twofold; one which exceeds all proportion and faculty of created nature; and this end is life eternal, that consists in seeing God which is above the nature of every creature, as shown above (I:12:4). The other end, however, is proportionate to created nature, to which end created being can attain according to the power of its nature. Now if a thing cannot attain to something by the power of its nature, it must be directed thereto by another; thus, an arrow is directed by the archer towards a mark. Hence, properly speaking, a rational creature, capable of eternal life, is led towards it, directed, as it were, by God. The reason of that direction pre-exists in God; as in Him is the type of the order of all things towards an end, which we proved above to be providence. Now the type in the mind of the doer of something to be done, is a kind of pre-existence in him of the thing to be done. Hence the type of the aforesaid direction of a rational creature towards the end of life eternal is called predestination. For to destine, is to direct or send. Thus it is clear that predestination, as regards its objects, is a part of providence.

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God does reprobate some. For it was said above (Article 1) that predestination is a part of providence. To providence, however, it belongs to permit certain defects in those things which are subject to providence, as was said above (I:22:2). Thus, as men are ordained to eternal life through the providence of God, it likewise is part of that providence to permit some to fall away from that end; this is called reprobation. Thus, as predestination is a part of providence, in regard to those ordained to eternal salvation, so reprobation is a part of providence in regard to those who turn aside from that end. Hence reprobation implies not only foreknowledge, but also something more, as does providence, as was said above (I:22:1). Therefore, as predestination includes the will to confer grace and glory; so also reprobation includes the will to permit a person to fall into sin, and to impose the punishment of damnation on account of that sin.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pines with the Quinas, I'm Matt Fred.

0:03.5

If you could sit down over a pint of beer with Thomas Aquinas and ask him any one question,

0:09.2

what would it be?

0:10.2

Today we're joined around the bar table by Father Thomas Joseph White, who is Dominican

0:14.9

priest, to discuss the issue of predestination.

0:28.9

Welcome back to Pines with the Quinas.

0:29.9

Good to have you with us.

0:30.9

This is the show where you and I pull up a bar stool next to the angelic doctor to discuss

0:35.8

theology and philosophy.

0:37.8

As I already said, we're going to be joined around the bar table today with Father Thomas

0:43.0

Joseph White, who is Dominican priest, he teaches at the House of Studies in Washington,

0:47.0

the Dominican House of Studies in Washington, DC.

0:49.6

He's a convert to Catholicism.

0:50.6

He did his doctoral studies at Oxford University, where his research focused on Aquinas'

0:55.4

metaphysics and arguments, the existence of God.

0:58.2

He's written a bunch of articles and books.

1:00.4

His latest book is The Light of Christ and Introduction to Catholicism.

1:04.4

So many of you have been asking me to do a show on predestination, but I'm super underqualified

1:13.6

to discuss this at any depth, and that's why I decided to get Father Thomas Joseph White,

1:18.2

who clearly isn't underqualified to discuss this topic.

1:21.8

So I think you're going to really enjoy it.

1:24.3

I want to say a couple of things before we get into today's show.

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