This is the Art of Catholic.

Welcome to the Art of Catholic.

I'm Matthew Leonard and I have what I believe is going to be a fascinating story for you guys.

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I have developed a deep intimacy with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ head over to next level Catholic Academy dot com. My guest today is Roy Schumann and his conversion story is one of the most fascinating that I

have ever listened to.

Why?

He's going to get into it, but not only did he come into the church after being raised

as a Jew, he's a Harvard guy and by the way he had a personal apparition of our lady.

And so it's unique by any count.

A lot of you may have heard of Roy

through his book, Salvation is From the Jews.

You can see a copy of it here.

This was published back in 2004 by Ignatius Press.

It's gotta be a best seller because I checked

and it's still selling very, very well.

I remember reading this not long after it was published.

I was fascinated.

A lot of my friends have said the same thing.

It's actually a little shocking to me.

It took me this long to invite Roy onto the art of Catholic.

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