5, 3. 3, 2, 1.

And we're live. James, what's up?

How are you, man?

I'm great. Don't freak out about your your sound of your voice in the headphones.

This is the first time you ever worn headphones or on a podcast?

Definitely the first time I've heard myself talk is it weird after a second yeah

It's weird you get over it because just about it really you got to be all right

You take them off if you want if it's freaking you out too much

You think you're going to get through this?

Let's just take these fucking things off, man.

We don't need these things.

Just keep this sucker close to you.

You'll be fine. So, first of all, thanks for doing this. You've been on this crazy sort of whirlwind tour.

Have you gone anywhere or you just been doing it mostly from your house?

Mostly from my house, just on Skype. Now for people who don't know the story let's give them the short version of it.

You were working at Google and what prompted you to write this memo?

They would have these company-wide meetings where they just push a lot of this diversity stuff.

Some of it was kind of weird, so I decided to go to these secret meetings sort of that were about 100 people

completely unrecorded and they would talk about some of the things that they're

doing and it would really contradict what they're saying publicly,

where, oh, no, we're not changing any of our hiring practices

for these candidates.

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