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The Next Level

1007: We Love You, Boomers — Seriously! | Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 August 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Sarah and JVL defend the honor of Baby Boomer protestors and debate the merits of anti-fascist sandwich throwing before hunkering down for a loooong conversation about whether Trumpism is a perversion of conservatism, or a fulfillment of it.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Building a coffee business, serving the best Americano in town is up to you. But winning back time and

0:05.0

growing your business, leave that to sum up. Take orders and payments anywhere with the new SumUp

0:09.1

terminal. Turn occasional customers into regulars with a free loyalty program. And with the SumUp point

0:14.1

of sale system, you'll always know when you're running low on your best selling blends. Visit

0:18.1

sumup.com.com.com to learn more. Hello, everyone. This is Sarah Longwell,

0:22.6

publisher of the bulwark. If you guys love the next level with me, Tim, and JVL, we think you're

0:30.6

going to like the secret podcast. It's a show that JVL and I do every Friday, but it is behind the paywall.

0:40.3

And one of the reasons we do the secret podcast is it's one of the only products here at the

0:47.1

bulwark that we ask people to pay for.

0:49.9

It's what you get if you're a bulwark plus subscriber or if you subscribe to this feed on Apple podcasts.

0:57.4

It's an interesting show.

0:58.5

JBL and I, we fight about our worldview.

1:01.6

Are the voters good or bad?

1:03.9

We go deep on the issues of the day.

1:06.3

We often talk through what we're thinking.

1:09.1

We don't just tell you what we're sure we're thinking,

1:11.3

but we wrestle with the ideas. We wrestle with each other. So come join us.

1:19.5

Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

1:26.5

I'll do the head pop. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Happy Friday, Sarah. I am coming to you from my North Kakalaki satellite office. I haven't decorated it yet. That's okay. When we were doing TNL, I was like, JVL, are you in a hostage situation? You were just like, I'm not in a hostage situation. I didn't mean that.

1:45.1

I was just, I was, this was a very hard week for me with reentry.

1:48.8

I would say after a week of literally nothing.

1:51.6

I didn't check my email once.

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