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Gender: A Wider Lens

100 — Falling Down the Gender Rabbit Hole: A Tale of Two Therapists

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2023

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Sasha & Stella take a walk down “memory lane,” recalling the evolution of events and circumstances that lead them each towards a deeper concentration on gender identity exploration in their work. With very different stories to tell, they each share their observations of society at large and describe their individual experiences within the culture of their communities and in their workspaces. They explain what intrigued them and led them to explore deeper questions about identity development, dive into the research behind gender affirmative care and gender reassignment surgery, gender stereotypes, and basic human development in general.

They also reflect on how they began working with families and individuals impacted by gender. Their stories both lead up to how their work around gender identity development connected them and ultimately inspired the creation of this show and its rapidly-growing listener base. In its first two years, their collaboration podcast, Gender: A Wider Lens, has curated over 100 hours of in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration. Together, Stella O’Malley and Sasha Ayad probe the gender landscape within contemporary culture, considering the implications of prioritizing personal identity over other aspects of the self.


The show has endured some pretty pivotal shifts in the cultural and political climate involving gender dysphoria and its treatments in practice on a global scale. In this episode, Sasha & Stella share their vision for the future of the show as well as the opportunities they anticipate which might broaden the scope of resources available to families and gender dysphoric individuals: resources that go beyond the affirmative approach. Together, the hosts of the popular podcast celebrate the pathways that lead them to each other, the development of the show, and the trajectory ahead for their continued exploration of gender from a wider lens.


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Extended Notes


  • Sasha led her school’s first Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) when she witnessed confusion about identity in the kids she worked with.
  • Sasha was compelled to make a difference but was overwhelmed by the response she received.
  • As a child, Stella was uncomfortable being a girl and knew she would be better as a boy. She was filled with shame and embarrassment.
  • When Stella encountered a trans person she presumed their experience was like hers but they had transitioned.
  • In Ireland, Stella has released three best-selling books, Cotton Wool Kids, Bully-proof Kids, and Fragile.
  • In 2018, Stella’s husband encouraged her to...

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:05.0

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:09.0

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we probe the gender landscape within contemporary culture.

0:18.0

And we consider the implications of prioritizing personal identity over other aspects of the self.

0:25.0

This is the thinking person's take on gender.

0:28.0

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

0:34.0

Pye, Stella. Well, hello, Sasha, here we are.

0:37.0

Here we are.

0:38.0

And I should also say lights, camera, action.

0:41.0

Because we're on video. For those of you on the podcast you wouldn't

0:46.7

know this. Yeah I've tried to think when we first began did we give much

0:51.5

discussion about video or not?

0:53.2

I think we just immediately said, oh, no, no, no, no, audio, audio,

0:56.2

audio.

0:57.1

And now two years later, we're going, okay, let's take the high jump.

1:02.7

I think I was in my comfortable pajamas wearing a baseball cap

1:06.7

and I said no to video.

1:09.0

And here I am with freshly washed hair

1:11.9

and a bit of makeup and we're on camera.

1:15.0

That's our first.

1:16.1

Everybody can watch quite easily how my style will go down very quickly.

1:22.1

I will be wrecked look by episode 3 in this visual kind of thing.

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