From the ACLU, this is At Liberty.

I'm Emerson Sykes, a staff attorney here at the ACLU and your host.

This is the 100th episode of At Liberty, so we're doing things a little bit differently.

Over the last two years, we've spoken with civil rights leaders, organizers, journalists,

artists, ACLU lawyers, and people whose lives have been affected by the civil rights and liberties

issues of our day.

We've covered family separation at the border, talked to founders of the Me Too and Black Lives Matter movements,

and we even spoke via video link with Edward Snowden. To mark the 100th episode, I'm catching

up with someone whose voice will sound familiar to loyal listeners. Lee Rowland was At Liberty's first

host, and she's currently the policy director at the New York Civil Liberties Union.

Together, we're going to look back at some of our most memorable at-liberty moments.

We'll discuss how much has happened in the world since we started in 2018, and how many

of these conversations still resonate with the questions we're wrestling with today.

Lee Rowland, thanks very much for joining us. Welcome back to

at Liberty. Oh, hello there. So look, the listeners who have been with us from the very beginning

will remember you. You're a bit of an ACLU legend. I mentioned you're the policy director at the New York

Civil Liberties Union. You were the original host of At Liberty, but that's only two of the five or

six jobs that you've had at the ACLU over your career. So for those of us who might not remember

every detail, can you tell us who are you and how did you become the first host of At Liberty?

Well, there's a lot of detail. I promise to omit for everyone's listening pleasure. But At Liberty

actually served as kind of my

transition out of my lifelong role as an ACLU lawyer and into the policy world more formally.

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