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People I (Mostly) Admire

100. Chicago’s Renegade Sheriff Wants to Fix Law Enforcement

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2023

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Tom Dart is transforming Cook County’s jail, reforming evictions, and, with Steve Levitt, trying a new approach to electronic monitoring.

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0:00.0

My guess today is Tom Dart, the sheriff of Cook County.

0:08.5

My local sheriff probably seems like an odd choice if someone to bring on the show, but

0:12.6

that's only because you don't know Tom Dart.

0:15.8

We are the only jailed prison in the country that does not have any variation of solitary

0:21.5

confinement.

0:24.2

Welcome to People I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:30.5

He's made time magazines annual list of the 100 people who shape our world, and he's

0:34.7

one of the most creative public servants that have ever met.

0:37.8

I also have an ulterior motive for bringing Sheriff Dart on the show.

0:41.4

We've been working together on a pilot program that I hope will one day transform criminal

0:45.8

justice.

0:46.8

It's a project that could have a bigger social impact than anything else I've done in my

0:50.6

life.

0:53.6

So when I hear the word sheriff, my mind immediately goes to the Wild West, six shooters,

1:03.6

cowboys, train robberies, what are your actual responsibilities as a modern day sheriff?

1:10.2

You know, it is actually fascinating because I've had at different points in my career

1:14.2

reason to research the history behind Sheriff, to see where it came from, and it really

1:20.7

does go all the way back to the days of old in England with the infamous Sheriff and

1:25.7

Adi Hamm and so on.

1:27.0

And so a lot of the different things that are attached to Sheriff have been this constant

1:32.3

evolution from the very, very ancient times to today.

1:37.8

To be frank with you, there were some vestiges that are very similar to hundreds and hundreds

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